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Tuesday, June 13, 2006

Albany, NY - Rabbis, State Sign Health Rules For Metzizah B'peh Circumcision Ritual

metzizah b'peh meeting in Albany 06/2006


Albany, NY - Commissioner Antonia Novello, in a pink suit and gold jewelry, and a sea of rabbis with long beards, black suits and hats signed a new protocol Monday that attempts to respect both an ultra-Orthodox Jewish ritual and public health concerns.

The protocols are aimed at preventing the spread of herpes through the practice of metzizah b'peh, in which the circumcision wound is ritually cleaned by sucking out the blood and spitting it out.
The policies stem from seven cases of neonatal herpes connected to the ritual. They included one child who suffered severe brain injury from the virus and another who died.
Last year, the city's health commissioner, Dr. Thomas Frieden, pushed to halt the practice. Jewish religious leaders lambasted the city for trying to halt a centuries-old practice, while the city came under fire from those who accused it of pandering to a small group at the expense of public safety.

By January, prominent rabbis had sought help from a higher power -- the state Department of Health.
Rabbis and Novello lauded the protocols Monday as a landmark step toward meshing religious and public health needs.

The new state guidelines require mohels, or anyone performing metzizah b'peh, to sanitize their hands like a surgeon, removing all jewelry, cleaning their nails under running water and washing their hands for up to six minutes with antimicrobial soap or an alcohol-based hand scrub.
The person performing metzizah b'peh also must clean his mouth with a sterile alcohol wipe and, no more than five minutes before it, rinse for at least 30 seconds with a mouthwash that contains 25 percent alcohol.
The circumcised area must be covered with antibiotic ointment and sterile gauze after the procedure.
In addition to the rabbinical policies, the state Health Department also added neonatal herpes to the list of diseases health care workers are required to report to state officials.
If a baby who underwent metzizah b'peh does contract herpes, the mohel, the infant's parents and health care workers will be tested. If the mohel has the same viral strain as the baby, the mohel will be barred from conducting any future circumcisions.

The detailed policy was hammered out over monthly meetings on Sunday nights out of respect for the Jewish Sabbath, with rabbis traveling between Albany and New York City, and occasionally phoning from Israel. Novello said she read the Talmud and the writings of the rabbi and philosopher Maimonides. The Jewish leaders said they read more scientific journals then they could count.
Novello said she treated the rabbis with the same respect she would treat Catholic cardinals. The rabbis, in turn, seemed charmed and entertained by the woman who called them "my rabbis" and greeted them with a hearty Hebrew "Shalom."
Novello suggested each rabbi sign the protocol, even those who didn't attend the meetings, so they could tell their congregations that they signed on like everyone else.

Rabbi David Niederman, the executive director of the United Jewish Organizations of Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and a member of the Central Rabbinical Congress of the USA and Canada, said the issue wasn't about a lack of understanding, but about "not appreciating. People, even those who aren't Jewish, should appreciate the fact that this is a religion that's been around for thousands of years."

11 Comments:

  • At 1:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Osim maasei Zimri um’vakshim sechar k’Pinchas…. Instead of a victory for milah, this has brought the goverment into governing the practice.

    Many Gedolei Yisroel were very concerned about this happening, and that is why -- despite the brickbats thrown at them -- opposed the approach Satmar took in this.

    What was gained with this foolhardy approach -- besides for some people getting their names into the paper?

    We're worse off than we sould have been.

    Had our community INFORMALLY agreed to what the state has now made a formal rule — “If a baby who underwent metzizah b’peh does contract herpes, the mohel, the infant’s parents and health care workers will be tested. If the mohel has the same viral strain as the baby, the mohel will be barred from conducting any future circumcisions” — the city would have done nothing more.

    It appears that the Agudah was working on an even less invasive informal agreement. But that wasn’t good enough for those who "were smarter." They needed to show who was boss.

    So metzitzah got into the media. Into the medical journals. Onto the internet. On posters on street corners. We were misgoreh ba’umos against this malchus shel chessed (funny how this rule doesn’t seem to apply when Satmar doesn’t want it to).

    And — thanks to the self-aggrandizing kleinkeppildikeit of supposed askoonim— we now have government formally involved in regulating milah. We now have an agreement that completely bars certain mohalim from doing brissin.

    There is no vidication of metzitzah in this agreement — the "Rabbis" signed off on an indictment of the practice! This agreement clearly concedes that metzitzah can cause herpes.

    So what do the greater-than-Torah kano’im have to say now????

    Maybe the end of the story has the real motivations: It’s all about respect.

     
  • At 1:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Can Anyone with a bit knowledge shed some light here?
    is this a final ruling on this matter, or does it only apply to the out of towners, & we the city people are still bounded to city's proceedings? your knowledgeable input would be greatly appreciated! perhaps Shloma d Shames has some info on this?
    Thanks in advance!

     
  • At 1:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    B"H, Rav Feivel Cohen, The Kashau Rav, The Galanter Rav, Rav Hillel David and many, many others went above the heads of the local politicians and finally got something done.

     
  • At 2:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    האט עס עפעס א ווירקונג אין די סיטי

     
  • At 2:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    i think this is tremendous breakthrough.
    THe government does NOT want to control Bris milah .
    What they YES want to control is that if it finds a mohel that has herpes then he wil be banned forever.
    What more can we ask for starters??

     
  • At 3:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Nothing. Just that until now, these people attacked anyone who hinted that there might even be a possible relationship between metzitzah and herpes transmission.

    Nothing. Just until now these people refused to go along with much less intense government involvement in bris milah.

    Just now ... when they're signing the paper ... they have set a dangerous precedent of goverment regulation of this religious practice. They've agreed to ban mohalim not just from metzitzah but from milah.

     
  • At 5:02 PM, Blogger myhumbleopinion said…

    The breakthrough is that the state health commissioner concluded that metzitzah is not harmful and there is no proof that metzitzah causes harpies.

    In addition, in a case were an infant gets harpies chas vesholem all people around the infant have to be tested and not only the mohal and if someone else is found to have harpies, the fault goes away from the mohal

    This is different then the city that concluded that there is no debut that metzitzah causes harpies.

    In addition, the city wanted the mohal only to be tested.

    The precautions that the mohal has to take is taken by every mohal anyway even before the agreement.

     
  • At 5:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dear myhumbleopinion,

    You wrote: “In addition, in a case were an infant gets harpies chas vesholem all people around the infant have to be tested and not only the mohal and if someone else is found to have harpies, the fault goes away from the mohal.”

    Now let’s read the article again: “If a baby who underwent metzizah b’peh does contract herpes, the mohel, the infant’s parents and health care workers will be tested. If the mohel has the same viral strain as the baby, the mohel will be barred from conducting any future circumcisions.

    Let me offer you the Rashi: The Rabbanim have now conceded that mohelim may be transmitting herpes. They have also agreed that even if everyone else around the kid has that strain of herpes as well, the state still bars the mohel from milah.

    So:
    (a) despite all the claims until now, they signed that metzitzah is potentially threatening to children.

    (b) In direct contradiction to your assertion the assumption is that it came from the mohel — why else you bar him?

    (c) The State has now been invited to bar mohelim from milah

    (d) They are barring them from circumcising. Read: even if someone else will be motzeitz.

    In my humble opinion, the article does not support much of what you say it does.

     
  • At 6:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The health and safety of the helpless infant having the bris must be paramount. Since there is a possibility that metzizah B'peh may be a transmission mode for the herpes virus (only the ultra-frum Kool-Aid drinkers insist with absolute certainty that it CAN NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY), it makes logical sense to isolate the mohel, if he does have the herpes strain within him and plans to do other brisim involving metzizah B'peh. If he is a potential carrier, there should not even be a question about whether he can perform this ritual! Let the family hire another mohel in that case. Certainly in New York City there is no shortage of qualified mohelim. If you want the bris done the traditional way (suction by mouth rather than tube),just find a mohel who tests negative who will do it that way. What's the problem?

    TO THOSE WHO ARE DEFENDING THE PRACTICE AND DECRYING THIS VERY MODEST AGREEMENT as some kind of infringement on the rights of Torah Yidden: If YOUR son was scheduled to have a bris performed by a mohel who'd tested positive for the herpes virus and who intended to suction the blood by mouth rather than by tube, would you be so blase and accepting of the possibility that your son might contract herpes? I DON'T THINK SO.

     
  • At 8:24 PM, Blogger myhumbleopinion said…

    Dear anonymous the article is not the statement from the commissioner and it shouldn’t be learned with rashi not even as gemoro without rashi.

    What does it mean that the others should be tested, if when you find the mohal has anti-badis he is barred anyway why drew blood in vain?

    Secondly, how is agreeing to a hypothetical conceding a fact?

    Thirdly, not only didn’t the rabanim concede and sign that metzitzah is a threat, the commissioner herself concluded that it’s not a treat and therefore allowed the practice to go on.

    And about baring them from doing milah, remember the article is not a rambam there is no reason to bar from doing milah because the mouth can transmit a infection

     
  • At 12:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Have the Rabunim ever said that there is no link between baby & mohel in regards contracting the virus from one another?

    In fact I'm a (occasional) mohel & I have experienced some prickling on my tongue, & I have consulted w/some professionals(including Rabbis) in this matter, & all of them, warned me, not to do the Metzitzeh, not even one has said differently!

    So the point here's that someone with the virus should indeed stay away, but those w/out the virus should indeed perform the Metzitzeh!

    & I think, we can proudly say "Mission Accomplished"!!

    Ps. if you look in the sefurim that are big supporters of Metzitzeh B'peh, you'll see that they all carry the same theme "that if the person who performs the Metzitzeh has one of the viruses that are contagious, he should under no circumstances be allowed to do so"!! so we can't be smarter from them! but the issue here's who should control it, which certainly would have been much better to be left for the prominent Rabunim, but unfortunately it wasn't the case, which makes me think that's why so it happened, it fell into their court!

     

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