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Sunday, November 12, 2006

Oak Park, MI - Starbucks Could Join Dunkin' Donuts on Going Kosher

Oak Park, MI - Going kosher was good for business at Dunkin' Donuts in northwest Oak Park, an enclave of Orthodox Jewry. It has helped a nearby 7-Eleven, which is often filled with kids in yarmulkes clamoring for kosher Slurpees. And now, kosher might become a draw at a Starbucks.

Starbucks is eyeing a spot at a shopping center under construction at 10 Mile and Greenfield, the strip, adjacent to a Jewish high school, and Oak Park Mayor Gerald Naftaly is hoping it will offer an expanded kosher fare.
Naftaly said he and local rabbis are pressing Starbucks, whose coffee is kosher, to stock kosher creamers and milk at its new location. He said he's working to also get Starbucks to sell packaged kosher baked goods, perhaps from a local bakery.

In some ways, being almost completely kosher is a disadvantage for the Dunkin' Donuts just north of the new center.  Owner Ted Jabbori said he can't carry meat products -- sausage and bacon, among them -- and he has to pass on new products that wouldn't pass muster with the rabbis who provide him direction.  
But, overall, being kosher has been good for business.  "If we had to do it all again, we probably would because of all the new friends we've made in the Jewish community. A lot of people appreciate it, and they tell us every day," he said.

Jabbori said he's not threatened by the possibility of a kosher Starbucks just down the road. He's got coffee, and Dunkin' Donuts customers, "our customer is not a Starbucks customer," Jabbori said.

6 Comments:

  • At 6:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    that's not necessarily true. according to the Star-K:
    1. All unflavored, roasted coffees (both regular and decaf.), may be purchased in a disposable cup. 2. Sugar may be added. Milk (not creamer) can be added, and is cholov stam.
    3. Creamers and flavors may be added separately after the consumer verifies that the label of the original container bears reliable certification.
    4. Only packaged food items bearing reliable certification may be purchased.
    5. At Starbucks, bottled beverages bearing a KD are certified kosher, dairy, chalav stam, by R Zevulun Charlop.
    5. Frapuccino, whipped toppings, and other beverages prepared in coffee shops are not recommended since they are made in carafes/pump pots that are not exclusively used for kosher beverages.
    -Also some stores sell full bottles of their syrups which happen to have an OU. If you ask, they will also show you the containers of milk they use. But bottom line, always check each individual store.

     
  • At 8:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    anon 615,

    Thank you for not adding anything significant to what The Great One had to say earlier. Praised be The Great One!

    It is well known that one could purchase any UNFLAVORED coffee. One does not need the Star-K "haskoma" for that.



    Re #5b, who said the frap mixture is kosher to begin with?!! Some would tell you it is not ... at least not in all sections of the country.

    Re #5a, they are referring to the GLASS bottles that are sold in supermarkets and NOT ALL OF THEM ARE KOSHER!

    The bottom line here is if you eat/drink from Starbucks you are doing so under the hashgocha of the "Boych K" because you are relying on your "gruba boych" to say its kosher.

    KP

     
  • At 1:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anon @ 6:15 wrote,

    2. Sugar may be added. 'Milk (not creamer) can be added, and is cholov stam.'

    What about 'Buser(Chulev) Sh'nisaleh Min Hu'ei'en'?

     
  • At 7:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    'Buser(Chulev) Sh'nisaleh Min Hu'ei'en'?


    That is only a halacha in meat

    also many starbucks carry an ou pareve soy product which tastes very much like milk
    they are very good about letting someone look at the containers

     
  • At 11:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The real problem is not weather or not the VAAD of Detroit gives certification or not it is who the mashciach is - hence the problem at Dunkin Donuts in Oak Park. And I can't see the Vaad allowing the Starbucks next door to the Yeshiva Gadolah have their certfication becasue it would be a problem with the Bucherim and the Bais Yaakov (1/2 mile away) girls hanging out at the same place. My real question would be who the mashciach is - because if it is the same one at Dunkin Donuts - I wouldn't depend on him.

     
  • At 1:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I have asked to see the container of soy milk at a few Starbucks places, they are DE - dairy equipment - if you are careful about cholov yisroel (get into that in another place - this heter is taken far too lightly), you should not use even the soy milk

     

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