Glen Spey, NY - Odor Make Bad Neighbors
Glen Spey, NY - Twelve-year-old Ronald Schneider Jr. has been sick lately with gastrointestinal troubles that have left him listless and dehydrated. His parents, Mercedes and Ron Schneider, believe his illness is being caused by a neighbor’s sewage treatment facility.
The neighbor, Camp Simcha, is a year-round camping facility serving seriously ill Jewish children. Founded in 1986 by Rabbi Simcha Scholar, the 125-acre facility is owned by Chai Lifeline, an international non-profit organization with four regional branches in the United States and associate branches in Israel and Europe.
The Schneiders bought their Glen Spey home across the street from Lake Diana in 1993. The property adjoined to Camp Simcha. Until five years ago relations were friendly between these neighbors, lately they have become strained by complaints of odor and noise. the Schneiders said they never until now noticed an odor problem coming from the camp’s sewage treatment system, which lies just across the property line from their backyard.
But now a stench drifts through their yard and the windows, and they've been advised to stay inside and close the windows when the stench rises. But they don't feel it’s fair, and with climbing summer temperatures, it’s not a workable solution.
The Schneiders said the problem might be related to the number of people now attending the camp and the sewage system’s capacity to handle the waste being generated. According to camp director Rabbi Abe Kunstlinger, there are approximately 375 people at the facility, including campers and staff members. The Schneiders allege that this number is surpassed at times.
The New York State Department of Conservation (DEC) filed an Order of Consent against the camp for violation of its SPDES permit after inspections in August and November 2004 determined that “sewage was being bypassed around the wastewater treatment system.” The camp avoided a civil penalty of $5,000 by completing the terms of a compliance schedule, which included replacement of various system components.
The New York State Department of Health (DOH) inspected the camp’s system last week and reported that the agency is working with the camp operator and its engineering consultant to minimize any odors. Kunstlinger said that the camp recently began adding an industrial deodorizer to the system and has constructed a “15-foot temporary wall” to help deter the airflow away from the Schneider’s property.
The Schneiders said that the wall appears to consist of blue plastic tarps that have begun to fall down. And they haven't noticed a reduction in odor from the industrial deodorizer.
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At 12:39 PM, Anonymous said…
Noise and odor make bad neighbors
By SANDY LONG
GLEN SPEY, NY — Twelve-year-old Ronald Schneider Jr. has been sick lately with gastrointestinal troubles that have left him listless and dehydrated. His parents, Mercedes and Ron Schneider, believe his illness is being caused by a neighbor’s sewage treatment facility.
The neighbor, Camp Simcha, is a year-round camping facility serving seriously ill Jewish children. Founded in 1986 by Rabbi Simcha Scholar, the 125-acre facility is owned by Chai Lifeline, an international non-profit organization with four regional branches in the United States and associate branches in Israel and Europe.
Camp Simcha describes itself as “an organization of caring, compassionate individuals” on its website. And although relations were once friendly between these neighbors, lately they have become strained by complaints of odor and noise.
The Schneiders bought their Glen Spey home across the street from Lake Diana in 1993. The property adjoined Camp Diana, which was eventually sold and became Camp Simcha. Until five years ago, the Schneiders said they never noticed an odor problem coming from the camp’s sewage treatment system, which lies just across the property line from their backyard.
That’s when something began to change, and a stench now drifts through their yard and the windows. They’ve been advised to stay inside and close the windows when the stench rises. But they don’t feel it’s fair, and with climbing summer temperatures, it’s not a workable solution.
Too many, too close, too old?
The Schneiders said the problem might be related to the number of people now attending the camp and the sewage system’s capacity to handle the waste being generated. According to camp director Rabbi Abe Kunstlinger, there are approximately 375 people at the facility, including campers and staff members. The Schneiders allege that this number is surpassed at times.
The New York State Department of Conservation (DEC) regulates septic treatment systems and any discharges associated with them. According to Wendy Rosenbach, NYS DEC Regional Citizen Participation Specialist, the camp’s current system has a capacity of 17,500 gallons per day. Built in the ‘40s and repaired several times, the system is designed to handle a daily usage of 50 gallons per person, for a maximum of 350 people.
Even so, Rosenbach said the system is functioning properly based on an inspection conducted by Bernie Lohman, DEC Environmental Engineering Technician 3, on July 14.
Camp Simcha also possesses a DEC State Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (SPDES) permit, which regulates discharges to waterways. Lumberland’s code enforcement officer, Richard Hotzler, said the camp’s system discharges treated effluent into Fish Cabin Creek, a tributary of the Delaware River.
The DEC filed an Order of Consent against the camp for violation of its SPDES permit after inspections in August and November 2004 determined that “sewage was being bypassed around the wastewater treatment system.” The camp avoided a civil penalty of $5,000 by completing the terms of a compliance schedule, which included replacement of various system components.
The New York State Department of Health (DOH) inspected the camp’s system last week and reported that the agency is working with the camp operator and its engineering consultant to minimize any odors. Kunstlinger said that the camp recently began adding an industrial deodorizer to the system and has constructed a “15-foot temporary wall” to help deter the airflow away from the Schneider’s property.
The Schneiders said that the wall appears to consist of blue plastic tarps that have begun to fall down. And they haven’t noticed a reduction in odor from the industrial deodorizer.
Another potential factor is the proximity of the camp’s open-air sand filtration area, which lies just 75 yards from the Schneider property line—too close to be in compliance with the town’s current codes. But Hotzler said that the system’s location is protected by a grandfathered clause that pre-dates today’s code requirements.
The Schneiders also expressed concern about how the camp is handling disposal of its medical waste. But according to DOH spokeswoman Claire Pospisil, “No medical procedures are conducted at the camp that would produce any toxic or contagious waste.” Pospisil said the camp has a “sharps program,” handled by a licensed hauler, which addresses the disposal of syringes and needles.
Noise matters
The Schneiders said the camp is growing increasingly un-neighborly in other matters, and have recently filed complaints with the township relating to noise emanating from the property. A hearing will be held at the town court on September 12 at 7:00 p.m. regarding those complaints.
The complaints specifically cite the camp’s use of a public address system, but the Schneiders separately mentioned the camp’s use of a helicopter, which flies in a circle that includes the Schneider property, and a series of permitted fireworks displays that occur on Sunday evenings from early July through mid-August.
Kunstlinger said that he cancelled fireworks scheduled for August 6, because they were running behind schedule. He added that despite having to pay for the aborted show, he made the decision out of consideration for the Schneiders. But the following week, the Schneiders said the camp played loud music at 1:00 a.m., prompting a call to the Sheriff’s office.
The Schneiders said their son’s friends no longer want to play at their home, due to the odor. And while the camp strives to improve the quality of life for sick Jewish children, the Schneiders question whether they care about the quality of their neighbors’ lives. The family has invited any interested parties to join them for a picnic to experience the odors and noise, but so far, no one has taken them up on the offer.
At 1:15 PM, Anonymous said…
why is it that all these hillbillys can do is look for ways to be roidef us yidin? whenever something good is happenning we are give the middle finger by these goyim. isnt it enough already?
At 1:30 PM, Anonymous said…
I'm not fully defending the Schneiders, but please remember that this is their house. They lived there before the camp moved in. Nobody would want to buy a house right next door but they already lived there.
At 1:35 PM, Anonymous said…
I was in the camp. the guy from across the road used to come and curse at us we as instructed would walk away..he would call the cops every day. there was nothing they can do b/c we stopped using the pa after hours.
he figures that since no one is there for 10 months now he must find a way to keep him busy the whole year.
At 1:37 PM, Anonymous said…
I think the camp sold them the house. I don't think they were there first
At 4:09 PM, Anonymous said…
The Schneiders bought their Glen Spey home across the street from Lake Diana in 1993. The property adjoined Camp Diana, which was eventually sold and became Camp Simcha.
At 5:58 PM, Anonymous said…
why is the mother's first name the name of a car??
At 5:58 PM, Anonymous said…
has anybody else driven past the fallsburg sewage plant on the 42, accross the street from jewish camps.
it frquently smells.
but jewish people know that a sewage plant smells. so they don't complain about somthing that is just reality.
the "egg U" facility on rock hill road also smells so bad that i can smell it going by at 65 with the windows up. but we all no that chickens make a smell.
the town needs to explain to these people (who may have moved to glen spey from chelm) that sewage smells.
If they don't want smell; don't live near sewage.
camps make noise. if they don't like noise they can build a house in the middle of 10 acres where they won't be disturbed. (i think they already might be disturbed).
my real point is; any idiot knows these truths to be obvious.
all their complaints are very poorly hidden anti-jewish, anti-frum nonsense.
At 7:33 PM, Anonymous said…
Ha, ha, you're all so funny. Some real intellectuals here! I'll have to remember all of these hilarious comments next time a yiddish child is injured or sick and then we'll see if you think I'm funny. Here are my favorites from all of the comments here:
1. Anon at 1:15 refers to the family as "hillbillys"
2. ליפא שנילצער at 4:29 pm thinks the story is "funny" because the child has "gastrointestinal troubles listless and dehydrated and they complain about a smell ????", and his “advice to family Schneider, buy a pack of Tylenol Sinus Congestion & Pain, handkerchief and go take care of your son.”
3. Mark Levin at 4:39 pm said "They should put wheels back on the trailer and get outta there."
4. Anon at 5:58pm asks "why is the mother's first name the name of a car??" - Is the best you can do? Attack someone’s first name?
Yes, personal attacks are fun. Can you even imagine if it was a Orthodox Jewish family living next to a goyim camp and having these problems? Do you ever imagine what it’s like in someone else’s shoes? (perhaps that’d be clean shoes! - just one of my little jokes, funny huh?) Be sure to look for your comments to be cut and pasted in one of these posts next time it’s one of yours.
Anon in Lakewood
At 8:49 PM, Anonymous said…
hey lakewood anon;
if i lived next to a farshmecta camp i would move. that would be smart. that would be responsible
the fact that the child is sick, and their is an odor does not mean that the child is sick because of the odor.
according to that logic:
there is fresh air outside.
i don't fell well.
i must be sick from fresh air.
my shoes are clean. mesecta brachos requires it so people don't rumor about the parentage of my children. you should consider cleaning yours.
nobody in my family is named mercedes, dodge, toyta or ford. I was curious why she is.
i did not know that curiosity was against the blog rules.
At 10:02 PM, Anonymous said…
Hey Mark,
I think you meant to say (GEVALD!) INTERNET. E-mail by itself Iz Nisht Azoy Shlecht.
At 10:29 PM, Anonymous said…
Anon at 8:49: You are missing the point, so I'll be direct. The comments all reflected an ignorant, racist, and dare I say anti-goyite attitude. Your comment was not out of "curiousity", it was mean hearted and offensive. And you continue to be mean hearted and offensive. My Aunt "Toyta" is very angry with you!
Your assumption is also incorrect. I expressed no opinion concerning the odor causing the boys illness. How did you jump to that conclusion? By the way, the sewage is causing the odor. Maybe the sewage in the water supply and ground are causing the illness? How's that logic?
Mark Levin: I'm shaking in my clean shoes!
Not Anon in Lakewood (another little joke for Mark!)
At 10:59 PM, Anonymous said…
re: Mercedes. It's a pretty common girl's name in Europe.
In fact the car is named for a girl, the daughter of Mr. Daimler (founder of Daimler-Benz).
Anon.
At 11:29 PM, Anonymous said…
anon 1029
let me try to keep this simple for you. since the other way did not work.
if the boy is sick from an odor or a ground-water problem these people need to get out. if they need to sue sombody after they get out that's why we have courts.
going to the newspaper is courting public opinion while their child is sick. that's child abuse.
the article started by descirbing the child's illness, and then the sewage issue. there is an intention to associate the two. nobody that speaks english could miss the association. the article would have no point without the association.
why go the press?
why does the press care?
because anti-frum articles sell newspapers.
since the family and the newspaper did not bother to get information from an epidemiologist or some other expert on sanitary waste and/or communicable diseases we have no idea if the odor has anything to do with the child's illness. but as a humanitarian i really think they should focus on getting their child approriate medical treatment, and worry less about their press relations. if my child had the symptoms they are describing their could be a circus going on next to my house every night at 1am and i would not care. the fact that they are so concerned about camp simcha during their personal crisis is disturbing.
i really have never heard of anybody else named mercedes, it is curious. and a gruss to your aunt toyota and uncle datsun.
At 11:50 PM, Anonymous said…
thank you for the clarification of the etiology of name mercedes.
i was curious. no offense intended.
At 11:55 PM, Anonymous said…
As a New Yorker, I can attest to the fact that there is nothing wrong with being named after a car. In fact, we have a whole building on the East Side named after Diplomats. Perhaps her father didn't like old-time names (like Chevy) and wanted to be a bit of a Trail Blazer. Many frustrated Suburburn-ites feel a need to act like Explorers and Mountaineers from time to time. That's probably what happened to her parents.
Perhaps Mercedes is just having problems with Gremlins in her attic.
At 12:36 AM, Anonymous said…
My toyta tanta hindy named her daughter chevy after the chevrolet.
At 12:47 AM, Anonymous said…
If Camp Simcha hosts sick children, why would they further risk the health of these fragile yiddishe kinder by hosting sewage odors???? - never mind the neighbors!
At 8:20 AM, Anonymous said…
there is no smell where the kids are.
At 4:53 PM, Anonymous said…
To ליפא שנילצער : Sorry but I won’t be emailing you. I have been reading your comments for 6 months now and I feel that some of your comments are racist and hurtful. This is surprising to me for someone who puts in his profile that his “Industry” is “Religion”. I have no desire to answer any private questions you may have.
I am glad that you realize “poking fun” at these people is a mistake. However, I strongly feel that down playing racism/bigotry to just “poking fun” is also a mistake. Next time you call someone anti-semitic, I’ll remind you that he/she is just “poking fun”. Treat others with the same respect and courtesy that you would want to be treated.
I will continue to pray for this sick child as I do for any other sick child, no matter what race or religion he or she may be.
Anon in Lakewood
At 6:32 PM, Anonymous said…
To Anon in Lakewood please give us u'r email address, would like to talk to u in private
At 8:37 PM, Anonymous said…
Hate to burst your bubble Lipa, but, I've been reading everyone's comments, not just yours!
Here’s one or yours I happened to save for the research I am doing:
<<<< Original posted by VOS IZ NEIAS at 6:36 AM on Jul 11 2006: Bombay, India +Explosions Hit Train Stations+
ליפא שנילצער said...
Others, such as Helena Davidovich, 57, from Borough Park, said seeing the extra police officers was disconcerting. "It makes me a little nervous because it makes you think something could happen," Davidovich said at the Herald Square station. "My heart goes a little 'tap, tap."'
hmmmmm, let me repeat this, u see extra cops and your heart goes 'tap, tap'.
explain to us please how your heart feels when you see 2 big 6 foot tall black youths coming your way.
maybe 'boom, boom'
11:31 AM>>>>
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