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Tuesday, November 21, 2006

Beit Shemesh, Israel - One Sidewalk for Men, One for Women

Beit Shemesh, Israel - The orthodox community of Beis Shemesh is taking a further step in its quest for disengagement. The sidewalks on one of the main streets in the orthodox neighborhood have been divided - one for men and one for women.

Due to a problem they have in the Nachala Menucha neighborhood, the orthodox community came up with a solution. There are several synagogues in the neighborhood where men flock to pray. The problem is that while they head towards their synagogue they encounter women taking their children to the adjacent health clinic. Fearing that the rules of modesty will be broken, it was decided to impose complete segregation.

Women are permitted to walk on one side of the sidewalk while men on the other. Signs have been posted on the men's side of the street instructing women to leave the sidewalk and to cross over to their side, and during certain hours of the day a synagogue custodian is stationed outside to make sure the rules are adhered to.

"They are putting up illegal signs, running wild and throwing stones," one of the residents said, "and no one is doing anything to prevent this. The municipality and the police are powerless."

30 Comments:

  • At 1:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    its a great think i hope we will do it in willy next..........lol

     
  • At 2:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    GET A LIFE PEOPLE!!!!!!

     
  • At 3:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    haha this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard!!!

     
  • At 3:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Then I guess there are a lot of things you didn't hear. Kol Hakvod to them. I hope that this is just a start & other communites should follow in their footsteps.

     
  • At 4:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    New Square (Skver) has it for years!

     
  • At 4:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Obvioulsy you didn't hear of a lot of things then. Now let all the communites follow in their footsteps.

     
  • At 6:02 PM, Blogger yeshivaguy said…

    And what if a chiloni woman walks on the wrong side of the street? Will they hit her in the head with a rock?

    This has the potential to lead to yet more chilul Hashem.

     
  • At 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    A hearty Yaher Koach to the leaders of the Beit Shemesh Kehilla. But for the sake of Kedusha in their community and in other frum commnunities, I think that we should enact one additional chumra . If we are to elevate the level of Kedusha we must deal with the families as well. Our suggestion is that we divide these heiliger neshomas in the fllowing manner. Men and boys should live in one area, and women and girls should live in a second area. This is the only guaranteed way to raise the level of kedusha, and warrant Bi'as Hamoshiach Bimhairo V'yomeinu . Amen Kayn Yehee Ratzon.

     
  • At 6:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    People may think it is so retarded to have separate sides of the street, but I see the point, especially when men are coming out of shul and the street is so crowded that you have to smush between all the ladies. I feel very uncomfortable in such a situation, it's not such a bad idea to have separate sides, it is much more aidel and finer. Nowadays we have lost our sense of modesty, that is why such an idea is so ridiculous to some people. Rabbi Berel Wein says that when he went to public school there was a separate entrance for boys and girls. I have been to new square and have seen this (separate sides) in action, and I have no problem obeying their signs. One time me and my husband walked together and noone said boo to us.

     
  • At 6:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet. I respect the rules of modesty, but,
    if you can’t walk by a member of the opposite sex without "Fearing that the rules of modesty will be broken" then you need more help then just separating the men and women out on a public main street.

    What does it mean "Fearing that the rules of modesty will be broken..."? Why? How? In what way? I can only assume that men and women are interacting with each other in an immodest way. If it had to do with the way people (women) are dressed, dividing up the sidewalks would not resolve that issue. If the segregation is because there are non-orthodox in that area not dressing according to the religion based modesty rules, then this sounds illegal.

    "Signs have been posted on the men's side of the street instructing women to leave the sidewalk and to cross over to their side..."

    Are any signs posted on the women's side of the street instructing the men to leave and cross over? Or do women need constant reminders of the rules because you know, they’re women?

    Annon woman

     
  • At 8:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Why dont they just move to Afganastan? I think they have thease rules already

     
  • At 9:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You have it wrong.

    The sign on the street shows the woman where she should be in the first place - They don't always have to cross over!

    Get It?

    I'ts not really that bad once you are used to it.

     
  • At 10:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I think it's a great idea. It will bring to Shalom Bayis as people will fight less with their wives if they are across the street. I can not understand, when we have good takonos, some people will always be against them.

     
  • At 11:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Just hogwash enacted by dopes who have nothing significant to do with their time. Gimme a break.

     
  • At 7:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Well I just feel very bad for people who don't understand what Tznius is all about. Just like men learn Torah the women have to dress & act be'tznius & just like the men shvitz in learning Torah the women shvitz in Tznius. We have gone so far from Tznius that we just don't understand but B'H there are people out there who are tyring to bring it back so lets let them do it so that in that Zechus Moshiach Tzedkanu will come. Bezuchs Noshim Nigalou Ubezchutein Negal..

     
  • At 8:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    o gevald is not making up what he said. i heard this years ago. i am from a litvish family.

     
  • At 9:33 AM, Blogger yeshivaguy said…

    Who cares what went on in der Lita? It's very interesting and all that, but we're not living that life anymore in any way, so it's a bit ridiculous to institute punkt this one thing that went on in a couple of Litvishe towns. Believe me, the litvishe women were a lot more forward and assertive then the ideal "tzniusdike" woman of today's frumies. What this is about is misogynism, not frumkeit.

     
  • At 10:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If you don't live there, what do you care. This doesn't effect you in any way. Please leave your nasty thoughts and comments to yourself. They are not telling you how to live your life. Let them live in peace!

     
  • At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ...I think that Ramat Beit Shemesh Aleph should be only for men and Ramat Beit Shemesh Beis should be only for women...This way, they can walk freely on either side of the streets in their own separate neighborhoods! anyone agree?

     
  • At 1:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    WELCOME TO IRAK, IRAN, PAKISTAN THATS RIGHT JUST LIKE YOUR MUSLIM COUSINS

     
  • At 1:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    IN KELEM THEY HELD FROM THE ERUV TOO.
    ARE WE ALL GONNA START HOLDING FROM THE ERUV IN BP?

     
  • At 3:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The truth is that a community has a right to establish its own standards and if the inhabitants of Beit Shemesh want to impose these rules on a private street, they have the right. However these are public streets and were not established with these chumros.
    Does anyone have a right to separate a husband and wife taking a stroll or a father and daughter walking down the public street? This is clearly contrary to halacha and in my opinion, a minhag shtus.
    Even in the bais hamikdash a separation was only made on Succos!

     
  • At 3:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Even in the Bais Hamikdosh! Just the opposite if in the Bais Hamikdosh there was a need certanly so in the streets!

     
  • At 4:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Eliezer crossed the street to talk with Rivka. She wasnt stoned was she?

     
  • At 6:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anonymous said...
    Eliezer crossed the street to talk with Rivka. She wasnt stoned was she?
    4:16 PM

    So you must know if she was stoned if you know that he crossed the street.

     
  • At 9:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    6:03 PM - Either I'm stoned or you're stoned. I read your response to 4:16 PM and I just don't get it. I did take a pain killer earlier, but what have you been smokin'?
    Dazed and confused

     
  • At 6:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It is very easy to make fun, much harder to appreciate and even harder to emulate.

     
  • At 8:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anonymous said...
    6:03 PM - Either I'm stoned or you're stoned. I read your response to 4:16 PM and I just don't get it. I did take a pain killer earlier, but what have you been smokin'?
    Dazed and confused
    9:36 PM

    Well very simple you said that Eliiezer crossed the street to talk with Rivka. She wasnt stoned was she? So I said that you must know if she was stoned if you know that he crossed the street.

     
  • At 11:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Annon at 8:46 AM:
    Sorry - now I get it. Dahh! I was the one who was stoned. Pain killer must have had more impact than I realized.
    New lesson for me: Don't blog when taking pain killer.

    From: No longer dazed and confused.

     
  • At 3:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anonymous said...
    It is very easy to make fun, much harder to appreciate and even harder to emulate.
    6:56 AM

    How very well said couldn't have been said any better!

     

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