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Friday, November 03, 2006

Cedarhurst, NY - Vaad Hakashrus Pulls Kosher Supervision from Gourmet Glatt

Cedarhurst, NY - Controversy over Gourmet Glatt Emporium, a popular kosher supermarket in Cedarhurst, grew with the decision of the Vaad Hakashrus of the Five Towns and Far Rockaway to withdraw its kosher supervision.
The Vaad had said earlier that Gourmet Glatt had until Feb. 1 to sell its business or lose the Vaad’s supervision.

“I feel totally drained from this fiasco,” said Mark Bolender, a partner in the supermarket. “I gave my life and soul to this community and I hope the community does not turn its back on me.”
Bolender, who added a second kosher supervisor just a week ago, continued to insist this week that the Vaad’s action stemmed strictly from a “personality” conflict.
“There were no kashrus issues whatsoever,” he said.

But in a “message to the community,” the Vaad said it acted after Gourmet Glatt hired the second kosher supervisor, Rabbi Yehuda Kravitz, in “violation of its contract and policies with the Vaad.” In addition, it said Gourmet Glatt had “serious halachic and contractual violations over time” and that it was unable to get the owners to correct them.
Bolender said “I respect the Vaad of the Five Towns,” adding that he hired Rabbi Kravitz only “to protect my investment.”
Bolender noted that his recently expanded supermarket has been in the Five Towns about 30 years and was one of the first to sign on with the Vaad.

A number of people were critical of the Vaad, with one saying that though the Vaad must be supported and every eatery held to the same standards, the Vaad “is being somewhat vague — perhaps suspiciously vague — on the actual reasoning behind their decision.

49 Comments:

  • At 8:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I trust Rabbi Eisen implicitely. If he dropped the hashgacha, I'm sure he had a darn good reason. And if you are interpreting his reticence as vagueness, you are wrong! It is called - ZEHIRUS IN LASHAN HARA! We should all try it and maybe this blog would look a lot better.

     
  • At 9:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    to anon 8:42
    you are an idiot. first learn about kashrus, ask eisen questions, then see if you trust him. he should never have been put in sucha high position.
    his kehilla ksharus was responsible for the nathans and kosher stop fiasco. you remember those? he has one of the worst track records in kashrus. he should not be trusted.
    the five towns residents should reevaluate their standards, than either bring in a higher authority (like the ou, ok, kof-k, etc..)or revamp there vaad with a new rav. the vaad there is being run like a nursery school. no one is ever in their office to answer questions, and when you need eisen he is always in brooklyn, making money there. he is just stealing from the five towns residents. he should return all his money he stole and just resign.

     
  • At 9:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I disagree with rabbi eisen having a reason to drop the hashgacha

    i know for a fact,
    that this is all about politics

    shame on the 5 towns!!!!

    What makes you different than Brooklyn??

     
  • At 9:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    everything is gelt!!!!!!!!!!

    doesn't lipa s. have a song about that?

     
  • At 10:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    as a 5t member I can say the vaad is doing a great job. gourmet glatt refused to adhere to their restrictions (post mf fiasco )
    the line i've heard is "kashrus now is like post 9/11 you have to be suspect of all

     
  • At 10:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE "NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS" WERE??? i would love to hear the actual B.S. that these so called "rabbis" (eisen and riesman)come up with to tell the community.
    the story with the woman who bought a cornish hen a year ago and call empire to see if it was theirs is complete and utter B.S.( who calls empire to see if they sold a supermarket a cornish hen???????) why not make this "tzadekes of a woman public if she really exists and letting the community know what the other "violations were". if it was actually about kashrus then why didn't the vaad pull the hecsher months ago when this first supposedly happened????

     
  • At 10:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    alles iz gelt.

    es shmekt nisht and es ligt shein in di tash.

    alles dreit zich arum gelt.

    gelt, gelt, un koved.

     
  • At 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I trust Rabbi eisen 100%

    To anon 8:42 you are full of baloney. There is always someone in the office to call. I have called there numerous times.

     
  • At 11:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    what the heck do you all mean by its gelt?
    G.G wanted to keep the vaad. they dropped him. if he dropped them, gelt makes sense. thats not the case. THE VAAD DROPPED HIM FOR A LOSS of gelt

     
  • At 11:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    From the ignoramus in Brooklyn,

    WHo is Rabbi Eisen.

    What yeshiva did he train in?

     
  • At 11:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Rabbi Eisen learned and got Smicha in TORAH VODAAS. WAS LIKE A SON TO RAV AVROHOM PAM ZTVK"L.

     
  • At 12:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ANON 10:40 I am Anon 8:42, I agree w/u 100%. I think you meant to address your comment to Anon 9:17. BTW MR. 9:17 know-it-all, I DO know Kashrus rather well, and after being involved for many years, I know most of the players well. Instead of calling me names, and putting Rabbi Eisen down, why don't u check out Kravitz' numerous Rabbinical & kashrus attempts, and then you'll see who is the idiot.

     
  • At 1:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    the whole kashrus industry is a scam, whether they had a reason to drop it or not, the kashrus today is a money making scam, run by people who have no other creativity other than to be parasites on communities who put trust and faith in them , why does the VAAD give a hashgacha to dunkin donuts in the 5t? thyere open on shabbos is one of their rules you cant be open on shabbos? ya ya i know TECHINICALLY someone can walk in and check on them,BS!!! they know that no one ever will, but im sure they pay nicely to have the hashgacha....... please, its a money making scam that takes adavantage of every religious person today, in the world, it makes me sick how can you twist judiasm like this and still be respected? i guess if you line the right pockets and beards then anything is ok....... i guess

     
  • At 2:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I happen to know for a fact that every shabbos someone from the vaad walks into dunkin donuts to make sure everythings kosher

     
  • At 2:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The comments on here are all screaming one thing: WE WANT REGULATION IN THE KASHRUS INDUSTRY!!

     
  • At 2:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    i can tell you from a stand of point from the kol hador huachron hotline the reson why i pushed rabbi goldberger to get his hotline involved in kashrus is for the reson why 5 towns haves removed the hasgucha

    if there is kashrus reson involved with the suspention of thier hasgucha, why does the 5 towns not revile all the resons for the public, why is it being kept as a secret, we as the consumars have every right to know the truth about it

     
  • At 2:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    sounds like two former OU guys having a (word removed) contest.

     
  • At 2:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anon 2:06 WE FRUM PEOPLE HAVE BECOME SO INFLUENCED BY THE AMERICAN WAY OF THINKING THAT WE HAVE FORGOTTEN BASICS. YOUR CONSUMER RIGHT TO KNOW DOES NOT TRUMP THE VAAD'S PROHIBITION OF LOSHON HORAH!!

     
  • At 2:37 PM, Blogger Unknown said…

    folks This is Loshen Hora can't we discuss without being disgusting. There certianly is a problem with the way the Vaad communcated the ongoing isse. That has led to discontent in the community. I think if they become more forthcoming everyone will be happier. If you trust GG's new Hechser shop there, if you don't--dont. Either way I would contact the Vaad and ask them to give more information. But calling people names(and Rabbis to boot) Is frowned upon in the same Torah that talks about Kashrut>

     
  • At 2:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    they go every shabbos to Dunkin donuts? do you have the name of the mashgiach who does that? id love to know? also how can they go on shabbos, there are halachik problems with it im sure.... eitherway i guess it shouldnt bother me, i dont hold any of these people in high regard about anything, i dont trust them for kashrus or anything else for that matter im going to go ahead and live my life, enjoy getting ripped off, bbye now

     
  • At 2:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    IM NOT FROM 5 TOWNS AREA
    BUT I DO KNOW RABBI EISEN PERSONALLY FOR MANY YEARS HE IS A YOREI SHOMAYIM
    AND DEVOTED HIS LIFE TO KASHRUTH
    WORKING FOR THE OU AS A KASHRUTH COORDINATOR FOR MANY YEARS
    AND WAS HIRED BY THE 5 TOWNS KEHILLA RABONIM TO START ITS KASHRUTH DIVISION
    HE IS IN CONSTANT CONTAC WITH ALL RABBONIM AND OTHER KASHRUTH ORGANIZATIONS AS THEY ALMOST ALWAYS CROSS PATHS AND DEPEND ON EACH OTHERS MANY TIMES
    NW REGARDING REMOVAL OF A HECHER
    IF THE RABBONIM TAKE OFF A HECHER
    ITS ONLY FARE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW IF THE DECISION WAS DUE MONEATORY CONSIDERATIONS OR KASHRUTH ISSUES
    BUT AFTER THAT BEING SAID IT WONT BENIFIT ANYONE
    IN PARTICULAR THE OWNERS OF A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT WHO'S HECHER IS BEING REMOVED DUE TO KASHRUTH ISSUES TO HAVE THEIR LAUNDRY BEING HUNG IN PUBLIC

    IF FOR INSTANCE ONE WAS WARNED NOT TO HAVE DELIVERIES ARRIVE WHEN MASHGICHEM ARENT AVAILABLE TO CHECK INVOICES/WITH ACTUAL ITEMS DELIVERED OR
    DIRECTIVES BEING IGNORED OR SAY REGARDING KEYS TO ESTABLISHMENT OPEN/CLOSED BY MASHGIACH ETC IF AN ORGANIZATION FEELS IT IS BEING IGNORED AND THERE IS NO MIRSUS(=OWNER BEING SCARED OF SELLING NON KOSHER ETC)ON THE PART OF THE OWNER
    THE ORGANIZATION MAY REMOVE ITS CIRTIFICATION
    AS IT FEELS THEY CANT TRUST THIS OWNER WHO ISNT BEING COOPERATIVE WITH THEM ETC
    IT DOESNT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT OWNER WAS CAUGHT RED HANDED
    ITS SOMETIMES JUST A FEELING AND BASED ON THAT THEY WONT DISCUSS THERE ISSUES IN PUBLIC BUT NEVERTHELESS FEEL JUSTIFIED IN REMOVING THEIR HECHER
    THIS IS JUST 1 OR 2 EXAMPLES WHICH ARENT NECESSERILY APPLICABLE TO THE CASE HERE
    NOW IF PEOPLE WANT TO CONTINUE PATRONIZING A PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT W/O THE HASHGOHO OR WANT TO TRUST THE NEW PRIVATE HASHGOCHO THATS THEIR PREFERENCE
    BUT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THERE WAS A REASON WHY THE VAAD REMOVED THEIR HASHGOHO IF THAT REASON IS MITIGATED BY THIS NEW HASHGOCHO FINE OTHERWISE.... YOU TAKE THE CHANCE OF POSSIBLY EATING FOOD NOT UP TO PAR FOR YOUR KASHRUTH STANDARD AT BEST OR WORSE....

    ANOTHER ISSUE FOR ANOTHER BLOG
    WHY A PRIVATE HASHGOCHO (RABBI YUDEL KRAVITZ )WOULD WALK INTO A TOWN WHERE THE LOCAL VAAD REMOVED THEIR HASGOCHO HE WILL COME IN AND OFFER HIS HASCHGOCHO??
    POOF THE PROBLEM DISAPPERAED????HE WILL GLATMITIZE IT ????HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN IS HE MORE KNOWLEDGABLE THEN THE RABBONIM WHO TOOK OFF THEIR HECHER?? FOOD FOR THOUGHT EXCUSE THE PUN FOR ALL YOU GUYS IN 5 TOWN

     
  • At 3:36 PM, Blogger Camp Runamok said…

    I am tempted to believe tha this was all about business and personality conflicts and nothing more. Nobody interviewed in article ever cites Kashrus-related problems at the store.

    This sort of thing happens all the time; even in the hashgachah business. Let's be relieved that the people involved here are not casting undue aspersions on each other like the IGK/Star-K fiasco of a few years ago.

     
  • At 3:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    NOT RELATEDE TO THIS ITEM, BUT FOR ALL COMMENTING:
    if you want to remain anonymous but tend to have a conversation with other anonymous commenters, give yourself a name and keep it. This way, people reading can follow a train of conversation. You don't have to give a URL or blog, just click on "other" and give a nickname to go by

     
  • At 3:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The bottom line is that Brooklyn has NEVER mixed politics into any Yiddishkeit issues, such as kashrus. I think all communities have a lot to learn from Brooklyn. Our achdus, our avodas Hashem, our happiness in life are all par excellence and can really serve as a model for all jewish communities all over the world. If you want to know how to do it right, look at how Brooklyn does it.

     
  • At 3:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Isnt heimishe politics great- allways an issue mi kamcha yisrael

     
  • At 4:00 PM, Blogger AviSaul said…

    What a bunch of repugnant cowards. Disparaging a superb Rav HaMachshir like HaRav Eisen with anonymous comments. You're all lucky to have a chance to say Selichos this Monday.
    Eliyahu W. Ferrell

     
  • At 4:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anon 3:55

    Thanks for the laugh. I havent laughed that hard in years. I needed that!!

     
  • At 6:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    for those that must know.
    they were numerous times that certain products were found there and the explanation were not sufficient.
    in the past there was an assumption, that there might be a substitution f0or another reliable brand.
    this slack was not being given anymore since the monsey scandal.
    it was a little late. it should of happened after the flatbush scandal.
    in short the elusive answerers and explanations was the reason.
    in the post monsey scandal era it's all it takes.

     
  • At 7:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I want to know what they mean when the vaad said Gourmet Glatt had “serious halachic and contractual violations over time” "
    Why would the Vaad not drop them imediately after you have serious halachic violations. You know why, cause this whole kosher thing is a bunch of crap. Its a stinkin no good dirty business. Its crazy how rabbi's and ou and all the other kosher emblems can charge whatever in g-ds name they want for their approval otherwise we cant eat it.

    I see why people love to get smicha, its a profession.

     
  • At 8:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You people are never happy. Lets say there was a kashrus issue here and CHV it wasn't dealt with, you would be the first to complain about it over and over and over ad nauseaum just like you did about a month ago.

    Bottom line is quit complaining and let the kashrus pros deal with things so you could eat. We don't have to answer you on everything. If you trust us enought to say things are kosher, for goodness sakes trust us when we say its not good!

     
  • At 8:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    u are all abunch of yentas

     
  • At 10:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    what a bunch of losers the 5T's are.

    WHy not emulate communties like crown heights, williamsburg and boropark where conflict is unheard of. kashrus issues never questioned. Everyone live side by side in total bliss.

    Ah broch indeed

     
  • At 11:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    you yentas and laydigayers also fail to realize there are still some locals in the USA that have only ONE hechsher and 5 Towns is one of them. If you want to be kosher, you have to be certified by them. Look at BP and Flatbush, there are so many hechsherim there it makes your head spin especially since you dont know which ones of those you could trust.

     
  • At 1:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I thing that the basic argument being presented here, is based on the difference of opinion as to what the job of the mashgiach is. It is either that he inspects, and notifies the public of what he finds, and then the public chooses to eat/not eat, or is it simply blind trust.

    In the past this has simply been blind trust. Based on the happenings of late, I think we will see more people shifting to another school of thought.

     
  • At 10:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ARE YOU GUYS DOING DRUGS ????
    WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN ???
    in brooklyn not only does kesef metaher mamzerim, but also kesef yaane es hakol

    see two comments below

    Anonymous said...
    The bottom line is that Brooklyn has NEVER mixed politics into any Yiddishkeit issues, such as kashrus. I think all communities have a lot to learn from Brooklyn. Our achdus, our avodas Hashem, our happiness in life are all par excellence and can really serve as a model for all jewish communities all over the world. If you want to know how to do it right, look at how Brooklyn does it.

    3:55 PM

    Anonymous said...
    what a bunch of losers the 5T's are.

    WHy not emulate communties like crown heights, williamsburg and boropark where conflict is unheard of. kashrus issues never questioned. Everyone live side by side in total bliss.

    Ah broch indeed

    10:19 PM

     
  • At 10:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anon 1019pm,

    I think you are either drunk or you have your tongue firmly implanted in your cheek with that remark.

    All those "towns" have hundreds of diff hechsherim on the stores. Some stores dont even have any!

    Trust the kashrus pros!

     
  • At 11:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Some inside info to relate here: The 5-T vaad had the only set of keys to the store and they opened and closed the store everyday. I do not understand why the vaad made a big issue. I also don't think that only one hechsher is a good thing. the whole issue is a double edge sword. If the vaad details the violations then ppl will ask why they did not pull sooner. bottom line if there was a real issue both the vaad and the owner is at fault. Time for another hechsher that does not need play the game and just do whats right.

     
  • At 12:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Maybe being a vegetarian is not such a bad idea afteralll......

    Oh and sir could you please Super Size that Bic Mac for me

     
  • At 2:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I know Rav Eisen Shlit"a personally and he is a wonderful person and a knowlegable and trustworthy Rav. I feel absolutely bad that he is caught up in all this Motzai Shem Rah being spilled about him. Hachsherim have a lot to deal with and a world on their shoulders. I know for a fact, since the Vaad is a democracy made up by most neighborhood Orthodox Rabbanim, and everthing is decided by vote, that at times, Rav Eisen didn't agree and was still forced as administrator to carry out the decision. This decision, was unanimously decided and Rav Eisen agreed. All Rabbonim, modern, yeshivish, chassidish, etc. Shame on all who distrust their Rabbonim! Rabbonim are not hired employees who do what you say, they are the ones with more Torah knowledge who you choose since YOU trust them. I for one listen to everything my Rav says, whether I agree or not! Over 50 Rabbonim agreed with this decision.

    Before yo bash me screaming "but it was politics, etc." remember, your Rav agreed with it! Politics or not, your Rav and your Vaad found issues with the store. You either trust your Rav or you move. I for one, am shopping at Brach's or Supersol!

     
  • At 3:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    anon 1233pm,

    you cant be a veggie b/c it is probably assur. hint... KARBONOS ARE MEAT... AS IN USED TO BE ALIVE, BUT ARE NOW DEAD AMINALS!

    (Ok all you frumaks out there... if it is for health reasons - LEGIT HEALTH REASONS NOT MADE UP - then you need to ask your LOR.)

     
  • At 9:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    shame om u all

     
  • At 7:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I was "zoche" to hear what the reasons were and lets just say it is possible Monsey started in the same manner. Get rid of the guy now while he only rips you off but still sells kosher b/c next week it will be treif.

    Hatzlocha to Rabbi Kravitz!!!

     
  • At 8:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    All I know is Rabbi Eisen is a great Rabbi. We should all be thrilled that we are zoche to have him in our midst. Actually he is a bs faker at his best.

     
  • At 9:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    All of you should shut the heck up.

    The REAL STORY and the TRUTH is the guy was caught switching labels from one chicken company to another. The creep was charging more money.

    The chicken WAS KOSHER but Rabbi Eisen said if he was caught doing this we CAN'T trust him on ANYTHING.

    KUDOS to the Rabbis in that community.

    Why on earth is everyone on this blog condeming Rabonim when a few weeks ago you were just stating how they should be getting rid of people that are caught doing ILLEGAL stuff and total violations by contracts, law and halacha?

    Finally rabonim are doing a better job because of what happened in Monsey. Some of you fools got a problem with a guy switching labels of one company and putting it on another and getting CAUGHT?

    EXAPLIN WHY YOUR DEFENDING A CROOK?

     
  • At 1:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    thank you anon 914pmfor posting what seems to be the truth.

    you laydigayers cant have it both ways. the kashrus pros are there to protect you even if its to protect you from yourselves. bottom line is it seems that there was a justified reason to remove hashgocha. if anything we should ask from the 5TV why they were going to give this guy an "out" so he could go quietly but I could understand it a little. I am sure they would have been watching him like a hawk.

     
  • At 1:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anyone who owns a larger super market can tell you the price in September 2006 for Aarons, G&G or nature's Best, MARVID and Empire were pennies apart if not the same price so forget the big price scam. Most people in Five Towns could care less about whose chickens they buy. Most stores just say Brach or Supersol or Gourmet Chickens. This labling issue seems bogus. Next do you think the owner was purposely in the middle of the night changing lables and leaving some plumbas on and maybe secretly taking them off? These little metal tabs fall off all the time-- ask a buthcher. I do not know what happens but when a store sells thousands of chickens per week before R'H if 2% are mislabled when they go through the washing and packaging process is that a reason to pull hasgacha. I do not know why and no-one does because it is all kid of secret.

     
  • At 8:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    remember that the vaad includes all the rabbonim in the neighborhoods and the decisions reached were not made by one individual but by the collection of rabbonim, a decision not made lightly

     
  • At 10:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    They cannot ask each and every rov rov for his decision when it comes to kashrus matters. That would be impossible. They probably have a group of the rabonim on a smaller board who serves as a soundboard of sorts.

     
  • At 6:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I know the Bolender family for 20 years. They are honest and respect the business they are in.
    The Vaad of the Five Towns has no business telling the Bolenders they must sell the business.

     

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