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Monday, November 06, 2006

Midwood, Brooklyn, NY - Observing Shabbas a Religious Necessity But a Sanitation Dilemma

Midwood, Brooklyn, NY - The area of Brooklyn east of Midwood houses has large Orthodox Jewish families with children that can produce large amounts of garbage, and for some of the Orthodox families, getting that garbage carted away has become a weekly annoyance.

The city collects the area’s trash on Wednesday and Saturday mornings, and the Saturday collection day presents a problem. On that day, the Jewish Sabbath, observant Jews refrain from activities like carrying items on and off their property, and that prohibition includes moving trash cans to and from the curb. As a result, Orthodox families there must put their trash cans out before sundown on Friday, and they cannot retrieve them until Saturday night.

The city, however, has its own rules, and some residents have complained of receiving summonses for putting out their garbage too early. The problem, which has worsen because the Sabbath can start in winter shortly after 4 p.m. on Friday.
According to State Assemblywoman Helene Weinstein, who represents the area, the Department of Sanitation assured her a year ago that residents would not get tickets as long as they waited until 4 p.m. Friday to put out their garbage. But the temptation to take out the trash earlier is strong, said Raphael Treitel, an Orthodox Jew who lives on Avenue M with his wife and five children. “People don’t want to be walking around in their Sabbath clothing schlepping garbage cans,” he said.

Most complaints, though, center on the empty cans that spend all day Saturday at the curb. In the winter, Ms. Weinstein said, “the cans are sitting there in the snow, maybe covered with snow, being blown around, becoming a hazard to people in the street.”
Matthew LiPani, a Sanitation Department spokesman, said that his agency was sensitive to the community’s needs and that summonses were issued only when trash cans had not been retrieved by Monday morning. But he added: “Changing the day of collection is not an option. That would involve changing the whole district and could upset schedules in other areas.”
Still, Mr. Treitel said: “For us, it’s not a matter of personal inconvenience. It’s a matter of religious necessity, which is a little bit different.”

12 Comments:

  • At 1:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The simple sollution is to use plastic bags for the Shabbos sanitation pick-up.

    Line your garbage can with a sturdy plastic bag after the Wednesday pick-up. Tie the bag erev Shabbos and put it at the curb. Problem solved.

    Clear bags are available for recyclable plastic, metal and paper.

     
  • At 7:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    There is no prob in BP with the empty cans as there is an eiruv

     
  • At 9:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    How about everyone bringing the garabge to a main center? How about on 13 Ave and 48 St?

    One massive dumpster in Boro park will keep everyone happy.

     
  • At 10:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    i like shabbos pickup... one less day to be stuck behind a garbage truck!!

     
  • At 9:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    For your information in willy town they also pick up the garbage on shabbos for years, I think anyone gets a ticket by putting it out on Friday after 12:00 PM, maybe some askunim in Midwood should contact UJO or CJC in willy town how they worked this out with the Sanitation department.

     
  • At 9:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Let us take our garbage to either City Hall or where the garbage in City Hall lives, i.e. Upper East Side on 79th Street. That is money bags Bloomberg, of course. Provide him a tasty cholent each and every Friday.

     
  • At 9:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    H. Weinstein is not a city elected official. Why are we not hearing any noise from the locally elected City councilmen? Becasue that scum is not running for office this year? Dump the garbage on the front lawn of the city councilman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What is his address????????????

     
  • At 9:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Has anyone recieved a ticket for having the cans there on Erev Shabbos or during the day on Shabbos?

    This whole story, that I have seen for 2 days now, seems to be bunch of nothing.

    The pick-up days have been this way for some time and in other frum neighborhoods as well. All of a sudden there's a new report?

    Something doesn't make any sense.

     
  • At 8:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I can't believe I am writing this - but, here goes: I actually agree with Mark Levin. I never thought it would happen, but it has and no earth quakes and no lightning bolts...
    What the heck is the big deal with changing the collection days with another area? I don't know the locations, but is there a collection area within that municipality that doesn't include other orthodox communities? If so, then I can't see it being a problem.
    I don't necessarily agree with making changes and inconveniencing other people just to accommodate another group's culture or religious beliefs. Americans in general have been very tolerant and accommodating to our numerous and vastly differing cultural communities.
    HOWEVER, in this case I don't see it being that big a deal. Just swap the days with another (non-orthodox) collection area. I can't even see it causing a burden to tax payers. And no one would be inconvenienced. As a non-Jew, white/wasp - If my town informed me that my garbage days have been changed to accommodate the orthodox community, I would not have a problem with that at all. I'd think it was nice that the town made the change. It doesn't matter to me what my garbage days are, so no inconvenience, no foul.
    And like Mark says (did I really just say that?), if anyone gets "upset" over something this ridiculous, they have some serious issues they need to deal with.
    Anon WASP in NJ

     
  • At 8:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Been living in midwood section of flatbush for 18 years, and have never gotten a ticket for putting out the garbage on erev shabbos.

     
  • At 12:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I don't know what the fuss is all about. I think the article is talking about the Marine Park area (Lew Fidler's district) where young couples are moving in so they are now getting used to being home owners. I would rather have Shabbos pick up and it makes sense in an Orthodox neighborhood because there are less cars on the street and it is easier for the trucks to go around. Otherwise during the week it is more congested.

     
  • At 10:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    12:24 - I live in the Marine Park area and have pickup on Tuesdays and Fridays. Other blocks in my neighborhood have Mondays and Thursdays. I've never seen a garbage truck in my neighborhood on shabbos.

     

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